what do you guys think between turbo d16y8 or b16a 00 si motor

[speedfuzion]

I have a problem cant decide, I have 00honda civic with d16y8 in it right and is look for more power what do u thing I should do? my choice are I could turbo charge with the new greddy tdo5 t19 turbo kit or trade my cuz stright up for a b16a 00 si motor my goal really is to be around 250-=300 hp.
what should I do?

 

[prophet]

swap! start off with a better base

 

[ZimZimma13]

to get to 250whp out of the d16 you're going to need to do alot of work besides just bolt on turbo and intercooler. You should do the swap, get I/H/E and some other small mods and you'll be right up where you would have been with a d16 turbo. then save up and turbo the b16

 

[leon]

I dont think you'd be "right" up there but probably pretty close. I'm in the same boat, just going to boost my d16y8 and enjoy it. I'm not trying to be the fastest.. just have some quickness..

-Leon

 

[turbowhat_n_dat]

trading straight up saves a ton of cash. Perform the swap if its free!!!!!!!!

 

[SeanMc300]

to get 300 hp out of a turbo d16 will take alot of time, and more money than a swap. but to get the b16 up to 300hp youre gonna need to turbo that too.

 

[lanojp1]

the kit for a d16 is alot cheaper for most applications too since its SOHC, im in the same position, i either want to turbo my d16 or swap for a b18c1

 

[Tdog_101]

the kit for a d16 is alot cheaper for most applications too since its SOHC, im in the same position, i either want to turbo my d16 or swap for a b18c1

i was thinking of turbocharging my d16y5 engine, instead of doing a swap...its really hard to decide

 

[2kstreetcivic]

I have a problem cant decide, I have 00honda civic with d16y8 in it right and is look for more power what do u thing I should do? my choice are I could turbo charge with the new greddy tdo5 t19 turbo kit or trade my cuz stright up for a b16a 00 si motor my goal really is to be around 250-=300 hp.
what should I do?

I would swap....DOHC is much better than SOHC and it will cost a lot more to get the power you want ouf of a SOHC than a DOHC...so swap for the b16

 

[turbowhat_n_dat]

As I previously stated do the swap if the s**t is free, doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out gaining free hp is the best way to go............

Now I will post this up here as the last post stopped when I posted it up and no one justified my theory.

A lot safer, to swap in a B series, I'm imagining nothing could ever go wrong with this motor, its indestructible!!!

I have this thing with dollar to horsepower ratio.

I have to ask, who can really justify spending say $3000.00 for say 40hp gain??? Then gain modest amounts of hp through purchasing bolt ons that include I/H/E creating say a well respected 30hp more for another $1000.00??? (considering you do the swap for $3k and other work yourself)

$3k / 40hp = $75.00 per 1 horsepower --------------------swap
$1k / 30hp = $33.00 per 1 horsepower --------------------bolt ons

Now your out $4,000.00 and gained 70hp @ $57.00 per 1 horsepower -----not really a deal if you think about it.

Then say what everyone says: add a turbo to your B18c and you got mad horsepower.

$3k / 100hp = $30.00 per 1 horsepower -----------------turbo kit for B18c

Now your out $7k and gained 170hp @ $41.00 per 1 horsepower -------still not a deal, but hey you spent $7,000.00 and now have 300 crank horsepower or 255 wheel horsepower.

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Or keep your D/B series for example purposes I will use the D. Have 130chp or 105whp.

Spend $3,000.000 on a turbo kit and $1000.00 on an exhaust system, fuel pump, oil pump, water pump, fuel filter, new head bolts, and timing belt. (Considering you do the work yourself also)

Turbo kit gaining RELIABLE hp @ 205whp or an actual gain of 100hp
Exhaust bolt on gaining a respectable 10hp.

$3k / 100hp = $30.00 per 1 horsepower -------------turbo kit
$1k / 10hp = $100.00 per 1 horsepower -------------exhaust

Now your out $4k and gained 110hp @ $36.00 per 1 horsepower ------still no deal for $ to hp ratios. However, you spent $4,000.00 and now have 240chp or 210whp.

Now considering you are 80-100 # lighter with the D engine vs. the B engine this almost makes up for that 45whp that you don't gain saving you $3,000.00.

Or use that $3,000.00 to build your block and btm end and put a complete head job on giving you another 100hp. Making your $7,000.00 investment $33.00 per 1 horsepower still being reliable by adding a dual stage boost controller running 12psi daily and 18-20psi when you need it to kick the s**t out of that modestly modded B series for the same cost factor.

Could someone justify this to me!!!!!!!!
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Then you get into the car down time which is a whole other story.

 

[all go no show]

in my humble opinion, i would never really buy a turbo for a d16.. I mean im not sure about this but isnt it true that a turbo for a d16 wouldnt really do all that much (in comparison with say a turbo on a b16 or b18). And thats a LOT of money in the hole. When you are talking about the SOHC engine, isnt it a better option to to spend a meager 400 bucks and get a 75 shot of nitrous. (I would get the kind that is activated by the throttle and not a little button) For the price, isnt that much better? That is alot of horses for 400 bucks? and couldnt it beat a turbo d16?? Im willing to bet so!

 

[ben]

to get to 250whp out of the d16 you're going to need to do alot of work besides just bolt on turbo and intercooler. You should do the swap, get I/H/E and some other small mods and you'll be right up where you would have been with a d16 turbo. then save up and turbo the b16

WASTE OF MONEY! do not go and buy i/h/e if you plan to turbo! once you turbo you can't use the intake/header. the exhaust might work but most likely you'd want to replace that too. pick which one you want and stick with it.

 

[marshun]

swap. cause if you really want that kinda power out of a d16 then youre gonna lose some idling. like comfy idling. go with the swap. better tuning since its DOHC. well to make it smoother anyway.

 

[turbowhat_n_dat]

swap. cause if you really want that kinda power out of a d16 then youre gonna lose some idling. like comfy idling. go with the swap. better tuning since its DOHC. well to make it smoother anyway.

I must say, I have not the slightest problem with my idle. Not from day 1 have I noticed any change in my idle. Good thinkin though. But for the record I stated to do the swap considering its free power.

All Show No Go--I'll take that bet! Find a runner, be in shaw in July 24th weekend for HIN, see you bout your $ then.

 

[J-Bird]

Go with the swap, better base to start off with. It'll take alot more money to get the d-series up to the same power level as the b-series in the end.

 

[Fast3rThanU]

As I previously stated do the swap if the s**t is free, doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out gaining free hp is the best way to go............

Now I will post this up here as the last post stopped when I posted it up and no one justified my theory.

A lot safer, to swap in a B series, I'm imagining nothing could ever go wrong with this motor, its indestructible!!!

I have this thing with dollar to horsepower ratio.

I have to ask, who can really justify spending say $3000.00 for say 40hp gain??? Then gain modest amounts of hp through purchasing bolt ons that include I/H/E creating say a well respected 30hp more for another $1000.00??? (considering you do the swap for $3k and other work yourself)

$3k / 40hp = $75.00 per 1 horsepower --------------------swap
$1k / 30hp = $33.00 per 1 horsepower --------------------bolt ons

Now your out $4,000.00 and gained 70hp @ $57.00 per 1 horsepower -----not really a deal if you think about it.

Then say what everyone says: add a turbo to your B18c and you got mad horsepower.

$3k / 100hp = $30.00 per 1 horsepower -----------------turbo kit for B18c

Now your out $7k and gained 170hp @ $41.00 per 1 horsepower -------still not a deal, but hey you spent $7,000.00 and now have 300 crank horsepower or 255 wheel horsepower.

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Or keep your D/B series for example purposes I will use the D. Have 130chp or 105whp.

Spend $3,000.000 on a turbo kit and $1000.00 on an exhaust system, fuel pump, oil pump, water pump, fuel filter, new head bolts, and timing belt. (Considering you do the work yourself also)

Turbo kit gaining RELIABLE hp @ 205whp or an actual gain of 100hp
Exhaust bolt on gaining a respectable 10hp.

$3k / 100hp = $30.00 per 1 horsepower -------------turbo kit
$1k / 10hp = $100.00 per 1 horsepower -------------exhaust

Now your out $4k and gained 110hp @ $36.00 per 1 horsepower ------still no deal for $ to hp ratios. However, you spent $4,000.00 and now have 240chp or 210whp.

Now considering you are 80-100 # lighter with the D engine vs. the B engine this almost makes up for that 45whp that you don't gain saving you $3,000.00.

Or use that $3,000.00 to build your block and btm end and put a complete head job on giving you another 100hp. Making your $7,000.00 investment $33.00 per 1 horsepower still being reliable by adding a dual stage boost controller running 12psi daily and 18-20psi when you need it to kick the s**t out of that modestly modded B series for the same cost factor.

Could someone justify this to me!!!!!!!!
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Then you get into the car down time which is a whole other story.

This makes hella sense to me.. I'd go that route.

 

[ZimZimma13]

WASTE OF MONEY! do not go and buy i/h/e if you plan to turbo! once you turbo you can't use the intake/header. the exhaust might work but most likely you'd want to replace that too. pick which one you want and stick with it.

Read closer before you respond. I said he could turbo the D16 and that would be close to where he would be with a B16a1 with I/H/E. he said nothing about turboing the B16 otherwise I wouldnt have said that.

 

[edhgreatone]

ouch.... isn't it possible to have short ram intake with turbo

 

[turbowhat_n_dat]

Go with the swap, better base to start off with. It'll take alot more money to get the d-series up to the same power level as the b-series in the end.

Considering he's looking for 250-300hp this is a very untrue statement, however, if he was looking at building the B into a monster all out race motor and entering the circuit then, Yes, I agree.

Then again considering the motor is free if it is (since we havent heard from this guy since he posted), then you are correct.

 

[child_racer]

dont under-estimate the D16. you can get to 250 and up horsepower easier than you think. a few have dont it with only forged internals and upgraded injectors. here's a few dyno's from turboD16. they reach the 250 platform with plenty of room for more modification for all of you who think you cant run close to 1 bar safely in a D16 http://turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=4140