when to shift
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hey noob......STFU
yes, the powerband starts to drop off just before redline, but not so much that shifting a few hundred rpms sooner can be justified...... even if the motor loses 5hp right after it peaks, that is better than shifting at peak hp and then dropping to a lower hp/rpm level than if you had gone to redline....... and you definitely don't want to fall out of vtec...
how exactly do you "push horsepower" without the torque to back it up......? if i recall correctly, and i usually do, hp is an abstract concept... if you don't have torque, you're not going to get any horsepower..... where's that equation at? without torque you're nothing but another ricer, even at 8000rpms.
a given driver in any given car will run a faster time going to redline than shifting before it..... i have proven this on the track. if you're so dumb that you think otherwise, then i would invite you to take the blindfold from your eyes and get on a 1/4 mile track....... you might learn something..... f**king noob
4r brings up a good point. if you dont go to redline, then when you shift, you are gonna be in lower rpms in the next gear. so now you gotta try to make up those lost revs in a higher gear which is harder than accelerating in a lower gear. so it will be said once again:
Originally posted by SeanJohn1802
REDLINE
redline
werd, youll wanna stay in vtec even after you shift...something my automatic doesnt let me do...
so yeah, um with the first half of that youre just backing me up, and with the second half youre just flaming me like a 2 year old who didnt get his way.
and in my car i ran consistant 16.8's and broke 16.7 when i shifted 200 revolutions per minute before i redlined.
I'll quote you, and you say that "if you dont have torque, you're not going to get any horsepower....." if you look at a typical dyno graph the tourque starts dropping around 4500 rpms, and falls of drastically at about 6000. So, smartass you just condradicted your own point. Next time dont be such a d**k about it.
alright.... newayz..... i wanna know something about starting a race...... u know right before u drop the clutch and engage 1st gear.... what RPM should it b at?....
"or be an idiot like everyone else and REDLINE!!!!
f**king tards."
I think we know who started out as the d**k.
And he's not contradicting his own point. It's impossible to have HP without torque. Did you take a physics class?
Horsepower = Torque * RPM / 5252
And what about us who have cams and ti valve springs? Why the heck did we modify our rev limiter to kick in much higher? Are you gonna tell those people to shift before redline? I don't think so. And you may be getting a .1 second difference from shifting before redline, but hmm, i seem to get a substantial better time by shifting PAST redline.
hey guys in what rpm vtec starts to kick? and 1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th gear same rpm which the vtec kicks or different gear different rpm vtec kicks? I'm using civic 96 vtec
i tend to outsmart 2-year olds and so have never had one flame on me, thus i can't speak on that comment.......... only a very basic understanding of kinetic physics is required to see that horsepower is dependant on torque and rpms. caddy provided the equation, and it's only got three variables....... it's not too difficult if you can read, i promise.
i know that torque tends to drop off as rpms increase...... but i also know that torque is a rotational force, while it's reading on a dyno is taken instantaneously and does not consider that the motor is actually spinning. thus is why man invented horsepower..... i won't waste my time explaining these concepts to you beyond saying that torque is compounded by rpms to make power..... got big torque? just spin the motor...... got small torque? just spin the motor faster........ either method will make hp, but hp cannot be had without one or the other. was that simple enough for you?
by the way, just because your vtec kicks in between 2400 and 3000 rpms doesn't mean that "our cars" do....... with vtec on that early and a redline near 7000 i would hope you could stay in vtec between shifts...... the rest of us that have real vtec systems know that shifting at redline brings the motor to a speed just above vtec-on..... ~6000rpms in my car.
and, finally, if you actually ran faster times by shifting sooner that most likely means you bumped the rev-limiter..... which is just dumb.
f**king noob.
Yeah, what's this garble about VTEC engaging between 2400 and 3000?? Wow, you car needs some maintenance pal, or you are retarded and used a VTEC contoller way too soon. How's you gas mileage?? Even with DOHC VTEC, I still get decent mileage. Honda designed these cars to be economical right? VTEC that early would completely s**t on economical intentions. Personally, mine "kicks" in at 5500 RPM.
I redline when I race and I don't "fall out" of VTEC.
I redline when I race and I don't "fall out" of VTEC.
When I race and I change from 4th gear when I am redlining I immediately go to first gear. It takes off about 3 seconds from my quarter mile time. Try that next time you want to street race.Originally posted by ersatz0906
Hello, Can anybody advice me? when you drag race you have to shift right? so how do you know when is the right time to shift from 1st to 2nd gear ans so on? ( kinda Stupid Question )