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It migrated from Healthcare to now being Immigration and Healthcare. Stop complaining.
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If you were born in this country while your parents status was that of an illegal immigrant, then yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. If your parents have now gone through the process and are now legal citizens of this country, and it all happened when you were a minor, then whatever their status is = your status. If they became legal after you were 18, then you should remain illegal until you yourself go through the citizenship process. Just cause your starving in your country doesn't entitle you or anyone else to go to another country illegally. There are tons of people in the world struggling, looking for a better tomorrow. Unfortunately, not every country in the world borders this one.
BTW, for those of you complaining about people hating immigrants, I am not white. I am hispanic. My father came to this country legally from central america. He applied for a visa, got it, came here, got a job, started the whole citizenship process and in a matter of 4 or 5 years he was a citizen of this country. He did it the right way, the lawful way. It is possible to do things correctly. Is it harder? yeah. But I don't get up every morning and go mug people for a few hours because it's easier to obtain money that way, I work a job, you know, the correct & legal way to earn a living.
RonJ
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Consider this scenario. If Voltio, OC, Biz, and No Regrets were to discover during their lifetime that one of their parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. had entered the U.S. illegally, would they promptly give up their U.S. citizenship and leave the country to return to their illegal immigrant family homeland? I seriously doubt it.
I wouldn't be opposed to taking the test
Obviously we wouldn't be able to go back and do a whole retroactive thing, but they should change the system. The way things are set up right now obviously allow for loopholes. I'm talking about closing those loopholes. If you're here legally because your illegal parents had you, then not much you can do because the "old" laws allow for it. But if you're illegal parents are still illegal, back they go
The whole reason the immigrant thing came up is because it's interconnected with the healthcare reform. I believe if you're going to do healthcare reform, then you need to tackle all the other issues that are intertwined, illegal immigration being just one of those other issues. Real reform, not just selective BS reform.
RonJ
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My point is that Lopez619's parents are now naturalized tax-paying U.S. citizens, and so is Lopez619. Don't degrade the immigrant heritage of our countrymen, especially considering that unbeknown to you there may be similar illegal immigrant skeletons in your family's closet.I wouldn't be opposed to taking the test
Obviously we wouldn't be able to go back and do a whole retroactive thing, but they should change the system. The way things are set up right now obviously allow for loopholes. I'm talking about closing those loopholes. If you're here legally because your illegal parents had you, then not much you can do because the "old" laws allow for it. But if you're illegal parents are still illegal, back they go
illegally?... nope. I wouldn't be talking the same s**t if that were the case.
I'm the motherfucker that goes and empties all the water from the water stations for the wetbacks in the desert.
RonJ
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That's what you have been told or believe. But what if one of your parents or grandparents decided not to share some illegal truth about your family's entry into the country? Would you pack up and leave this country that you love?
I'm not degrading anyone's heritage. I don't care where you come from, just come the right way. Everyone tries to take the easy route, and that's the problem. It's very simple, if you're here illegally, get out. If you've been here long enough to go through the process and have not, get out.
I for a fact know that there are no skeletons in my families past. My father was the first and only member of his family to leave his country and move here. My mother's side of the family became citizens when the U.S. claimed Puerto Rico from Spain
RonJ
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What if to your surprise, you find out that your mother's or father's side of the family actually entered the U.S. illegally. Would you do the "right thing" and pack up and leave?I for a fact know that there are no skeletons in my families past. My father was the first and only member of his family to leave his country and move here. My mother's side of the family became citizens when the U.S. claimed Puerto Rico from Spain
No, because I'm not looking to boot out all the kids who are "legally" here because of their "illegal" parents. What I would like to see is for our government to change these laws. What's done is done. I understand all the reasons why people leave their countries and come here. I get it. I just don't see how anyone can justify sneaking into a country illegally and expecting to get all the "members only" benefits without actually having paid for a membership.
this is a good read. i can see both sides of the fence. i hope this stays civil.
well, you're family may lie to you, as for me.... I don't come from s**t.
My family tree is WELL documented even from before when my family came across the Atlantic into the Eastcoast, LEGALLY, bringing our family crest into this country. The closest I come to being illegal is the fact that my family settled in Texas when it was still mexico. That's my father's side of the family tho, the one that matters.My mother's side isn't documented as well but they have ALWAYS lived in Texas/ North mexico but became American citizens when Texas went from mexico.... to the republic... then turned into the United States. My Great Grandfather was actually a some kind of border patrol agent/ranger back in the early 1900's.
His father before him was a lawman as well. but anyone can go ahead and assume what they want.
I'll sleep well.
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Fixed it for youwell, you're family may lie to you because you are Mexican. As for me.... I don't come from s**t.
My mother's side isn't documented as well but they have ALWAYS lived in Texas/ North mexico but became American citizens when Texas went from mexico.... to the republic... then turned into the United States. My Great Grandfather was actually a some kind of border patrol agent/ranger back in the early 1900's.
but anyone can go ahead and assumewhat they want.
RonJ
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I really didn't want you guys to document proof that you are true blue American citizens. Based on your exceptionally hard stance against illegal immigrants, I was trying to have you consider that what you have been told about your immigrant heritage may or may not be correct with respect to legal versus illegal entry into the U.S. If you were to discover that a father, mother, or ancestor had at some point entered the U.S. illegally, would your stance soften at all on this topic? How would you feel if, based on this new revelation about your family history, people now told you that you were not really an American and should leave the country? Would that be fair?
If you were born here while your parents were of illegal status, and they are still illegal, then yes, they should boot the entire family out. If they have gone through the process and are now legal, then they must be allowed to stay since that is the way the system is set-up. I have a problem with anything & everything that is illegal. Illegal parking, illegal immigration, get my drift
Why do you want good healthcare? I've seen those 30lb chimichangas you eat, and motherfucker, there isn't a doctor in the world that can save your ass from a lifetime of eating those