Mosque near ground zero

[Hecz]

Wow, that is so ridiculous, just wow Hector, it's not an Al Queda training facility, it's a place of worship for all religions, it's a community center to help communities. 99% of Muslims are just as against Al Queda as we are, they pillage their villages, rape women and kidnap kids for Al Queda in the middle East.

Safe house, not training facility. terrorist will use the mosque to hide themselves through out the non-terrorist Muslims, when we least expect it, BOOM!

They should of just called it "religion center" this debate would not be happening and construction would be happening now.

I'm not against freedom of religion, i just want to be some of few that warned everyone. i mean, if anything bad goes down, if not, then pray away, pray away to your lovely gods.

Let's just leave it at this.. Remember September 11th of the year 2001 ... think about that for one sec.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I think I'm done here.

Everyone,

have good days.

 

[hooked_on4]

Just to get a feel of how true Muslims feel, here are some quotes.

"It is wrong to kill innocent people. It is also wrong to praise those who kill innocent people."
Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, Pakistan. Cited in the New York Times, September 28, 2001.

"What these people stand for is completely against all the principles that Arab Muslims believe in."
King Abdullah II, of Jordan; cited in the Middle East Times, September 28, 2001.

"Those terrorists must be reading a completely different Quran than the rest of us. This isn't about Islam. It's about terrorism."
US Marine Corps Captain Aisha Bakkar-Poe.

"Terrorists claiming to act in the name of Islam is like a knife through my heart - that people would practice Islam, but do deeds like what they've done. It's not true faith. Some people twist religion to the way they think." US Army Captain Arneshuia Balial, a convert to Islam since 1987.

"Islam is not the source of terrorism, but its solution", says author Harun Yahya.

"It is time that we Muslims acknowledge that the freedoms we enjoy in the US are more desirable to us than superficial solidarity with the Muslim World. If you disagree, then prove it by packing your bags and going to whichever Muslim country you identify with."
Dr. M. A. Muqtedar Khan

Ed Bradley: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the responsibility... Does not Islam, does not Allah require that Muslims police their own religion and rid themselves of extremists?

Hamza Yusuf: Yes, absolutely. It's an obligation for Muslims to root them out. And I think it is a jihad now for the Muslims in the Muslim country to rid themselves of this element.

"Who has the greatest duty to stop violence committed by Muslims against innocent non-Muslims in the name of Islam? The answer, obviously, is Muslims."
Ingrid Mattson, Vice President, Islamic Society of North America

 

[vjf915]

I thought this was an interesting perspective.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/08/dear_rest-of-am.php

I dont see what Dunkin Donuts and Burger King have to do with anything at all. I also dont see what 9/11 memorabilia has to do with it either. They want to make money, they will do it as best they can. And having that is also a good way to honor those who have fallen, and not let the story die. Its called Capitalism. Let me guess, you also think that the government should regulate prices that gas companies charge?

 

[oc_civic]

I think what most people who oppose this are forgetting......here in America, EVERY CITIZEN has the right to practice any religion they please. Lowering ourselves to discriminating on a group of people ONLY based on their religion is completely discriminatory.

I am NOT against it from a legal perspective, I am against it from a logical standpoint based on all the facts surrounding the placement..

people have freedoms but those freedoms do not apply when it breaches those freedoms of others.. there are obvious reasons why building a mosque there is an a*****e thing to do... if these people go through with it (which at this time they have a right to) it just illustrates to what level they hate the US..

THEIR RELIGIOUS BOOK tells them to BUILD MOSQUES ON CONQUERED LANDS.. it is OBVIOUS that building a Mosque on ground zero will be construed as something of insult..

the NY government should have frozen all building in that immediate area and constructed something to honor those people who died.. building a f**king Muslim hate house doesn't honor those people.. it is an insult to them..

YES they have a right to do it.. but that does not make it RIGHT...

 

[dank24]

+1 for a Muslim hate house!

 

[oc_civic]

Just to get a feel of how true Muslims feel, here are some quotes.

wow a hand full of quotes.. does that somehow negate the entire group supporting the fort hood shooter.. or the COUNTLESS suicide bombers who are labeled as heroes...

 

[hooked_on4]

Yes because you like to only focus on the negative, if you watched the news everyday you'd think I dodged 4 bullets on the way to work here in Chicago.

Are there gangs in Chicago? Is all of Chicago as dangerous as the media makes it out to be? Not downplaying those who lost their lives but you have to realize negativity sells advertising not peace.

Terrorist are those who mis-interpret the Koran, to me that doesn't represent Muslims as a whole.





I think for the at least 10th time, me n OC will have to agree to disagree, big shocker there lol

 

[Hecz]

How about this guys..


f**k you!, go build your god damned "religious center community center" whatever the f**k you want to call it somewhere else. not at ground zero. simple as that. no one is trying to take your religion away.. just simply telling you that you can not build your s**t near where people of that same religion committed a f**king crime?

 

[vjf915]

I am NOT against it from a legal perspective, I am against it from a logical standpoint based on all the facts surrounding the placement..

And believe me, from a LOGICAL standpoint....I totally understand your point of view. From a strictly personal point of view.......I have not decided how I feel yet. I'm on the fence about it, mainly because of how I feel about it legally. Morally I do think it is insensitive and they should have decided to put it somewhere else. However, our moral objections have little to do with legally stopping them from building whatever they want. Thats the issue here. Everyone is defending not wanting them to build it by saying "well I just dont think its right, its too close to where people died." Well the BOTTOM line is that terrorists who happened to be Muslims made the attack, and that you CANNOT stop someone from practicing the religion that they choose simply based on moral objections, because this is a legal matter.

 

[hooked_on4]

How about this guys..


f**k you!, go build your god damned "religious center community center" whatever the f**k you want to call it somewhere else. not at ground zero. simple as that. no one is trying to take your religion away.. just simply telling you that you can not build your s**t near where people of that same religion committed a f**king crime?

They weren't Muslim they were Extremists, it's not the same man. It's like saying all civic owners are ricers, oh wait.....


When you take something and twist it and skew it to support your own views, it's no longer what you started out with is it not?

 

[Hecz]

They weren't Muslim they were Extremists, it's not the same man. It's like saying all civic owners are ricers, oh wait.....

I'll research that. fyi, im an extremist.

 

[vjf915]

How about this guys..


f**k you!, go build your god damned "religious center community center" whatever the f**k you want to call it somewhere else. not at ground zero. simple as that. no one is trying to take your religion away.. just simply telling you that you can not build your s**t near where people of that same religion committed a f**king crime?

So by this logic, none of us white people should be able to get on a bus because we told Rosa parks to get to the back. Christians should not be allowed near the Oklahoma City bombing site. Japanese should not be allowed near Pearl Harbor. Members of the Communist Party should not be allowed near any of the concentration camps in Germany. Mexicans should not be anywhere near.......anyone because a couple illegals tarnished their name in America? Your logic is completely bullshit, it has absolutely no value at all.

 

[oc_civic]

They weren't Muslim they were Extremists, it's not the same man. It's like saying all civic owners are ricers, oh wait.....


When you take something and twist it and skew it to support your own views, it's no longer what you started out with is it not?

they absolutely were Muslims..

you seem to ignore the HUGE amount of Muslims who ARE extremists.. entire nations fit that description.. its not like 10.. 12.. 15.. Muslims are crazy extremists its like an ENORMOUS amount of them.. ALL of them? NO.. but a s**t ton of them..

 

[bizoneoeh]

I don't like f**king rag heads much myself but we have a f**king nigger president right now so how much worse would it be to have a f**king towl head convention center near ground zero?

 

[Hecz]

I don't like f**king rag heads much myself but we have a f**king nigger president right now so how much worse would it be to have a f**king towl head convention center near ground zero?

Towel head convention center.

 

[hooked_on4]

they absolutely were Muslims..

you seem to ignore the HUGE amount of Muslims who ARE extremists.. entire nations fit that description.. its not like 10.. 12.. 15.. Muslims are crazy extremists its like an ENORMOUS amount of them.. ALL of them? NO.. but a s**t ton of them..

I'll admit, I'm not informed about that enough to comment, do you have any supporting references? i would love to also see some proof that extremist Muslim groups operate in Mosques here in the states.

 

[Hecz]

Your logic is completely bullshit, it has absolutely no value at all.

think about the world Value for one sec... ok.. you're done thinking about what it means? cool.

now think about the date September 11th of 2001. .... for another sec.


yes.. i know i know, it does boggle the noodle.

 

[oc_civic]

So by this logic, none of us white people should be able to get on a bus because we told Rosa parks to get to the back. Christians should not be allowed near the Oklahoma City bombing site. Japanese should not be allowed near Pearl Harbor. Members of the Communist Party should not be allowed near any of the concentration camps in Germany. Mexicans should not be anywhere near.......anyone because a couple illegals tarnished their name in America? Your logic is completely bullshit, it has absolutely no value at all.

it is not the same... or even close..

*There is a strong anti American mentality among the Muslim world..

*911 was the scene of a Muslim extremest attack..

*The Quran teaches to build Mosques on the land of opponents they have conquered so the whole thing is suspect..

IF the intention was really to bridge Muslim non Muslim relations why the hell pick such a controversial location.. it makes no sense...

 

[oc_civic]

I'll admit, I'm not informed about that enough to comment, do you have any supporting references? i would love to also see some proof that extremist Muslim groups operate in Mosques here in the states.

look I KNOW that building it there is NOT illegal.. and should NOT be illegal.. freedom of religion IS super important... I DO agree with you on that.. but dood just go to google and type in something like "Muslim Anti-American principles" and you will be viewing YEARS of history.. this is not something recent or new.. the Muslim communities of the middle east want to wipe Israel off the map.. they (Muslims and Jews) claim the same land and have been against one another for a VERY long time.. Israel is a TINY country and the US has aided in its problems with the arab world.. thus American hatred..

 

[vjf915]

it is not the same... or even close..

*There is a strong anti American mentality among the Muslim world..

*911 was the scene of a Muslim extremest attack..

*The Quran teaches to build Mosques on the land of opponents they have conquered so the whole thing is suspect..

IF the intention was really to bridge Muslim non Muslim relations why the hell pick such a controversial location.. it makes no sense...

By his standards, its the same logic.

*In all those situations, there was a strong racial/religious/political party mentality among those who did wrong.

*All of those scenes were those of extremists who committed hate crimes.

Its the same logic. There was an extremist group. There was a group that was a victim. There was a scene that the incident happened.