Michael Richards (Kramer from Seinfield) Flips out

[oc_civic]

3. Im speaking for the inner city kids who gasp just happen to be mostly minority.

thats why it would be IMO better to NOT base things on ethnicity..

4.
look at the national average incomes for whites and then look for blacks.. Do you think blacks are just naturally lazier or dumber than whites of course not. Its due disadvantages. Whoever was talking about look at the gold teeth and such im not even going to acknowledge.

no.. i think that people are a product of teh enviorment they live in.. and i think that poor inner city areas skew statistics.. inner city poverty is a problem.. no question.. and it is no secret that inner city poverty is filled with a lot of people who are minoritys.. i DO agree with that.. but unfortunately the out when you talk to people in this situaiton is NOT GENERALLY a dream of school and profesion..

5. You cannot tell me that the kids in the inner schools of baltimore have the same chance of making as the rest of the nation.. Im not even from baltimore and i know that. Anyone in the state of Maryland will tell you that if they've seen baltime.

sure i can.. they have the same chance.. if they wake up every day, go to school.. study hard.. graduate etc.. they absolutely can become something just like everyone else..

6. Its not an even playing field for the minorities and whites in the country.

i dont know what world you live in.. but in the one i live in its equal.. in my 28 years of being alive ive never known someone who didnt get something because he was "black".. in my 8 years on running this business.. ive never not hired someone because they were "black".. HONESTLY i feel that this uneven playing field is something that exists only in your mind.... i say that with absolutely no disrespect.. and YES... im SURE there are assholes out there that wont hire you because you are black.. BUT there are assholes that wont hire me because of the big holes in my ears.. such is life and personal preference.. it doenst mean your career ends at that moment...

I wouldnt think twice for my tax dollars going to native americans going to college. I am glad that the government sends them to school for free cause they literally have it the worst. If anyone says native americans have it just as easy/hard as everyone else i dont think your human.

it is SLIGHTLY different because this was the nation they called home.. we attacked and raped it from them and NEVER gave it back.... funding them in school is part of a complicated pact with them based on our nations crimes as a whole.. slavery was a crime of individuals.. against no specific nation we have spoke before.. and i think that big business who has reaped the benifits of FREE slave labor should be forced to pay.. i believe this because it is logical..

 

[jakksquat]

sure... as long as they are PRIVATE scholarships and not GOVERNMENT backed ones.. private sectors can give money to whoever they like.. they can give it to all the black people of the world.. or all the blonde hair blue eyed Germans of the world.. its no ones business who gives who money.. now if you are talking about government money.. that is supported by MY tax money.. then absolutely not.. RACE should not be a determining factor in anything.. isnt that how we got here in the first place..

i completely agree with this statement...i think that when it comes to college scholarships from the gov't there should be an equal playing field. it is called a "scholar"ship for a reason...people should be awarded for their success in school, not compensated for their race.

I wouldnt think twice for my tax dollars going to native americans going to college. I am glad that the government sends them to school for free cause they literally have it the worst. If anyone says native americans have it just as easy/hard as everyone else i dont think your human.

this is kind of a touchy subject for me...i live in n. arizona which is surronded by the largest hopi and largest navaijo reservations in the us. now they have had a very rough history but i think that they should be required to succeed in school just like the rest of us..this is my opinion....i feel this way partly because i graduated highschool with a 4.7 gpa, fairly good test scores, and community service. the local university i am currently attending gave me 10k over four years (keep in mind yearly tuition is 13k) for my "accomplishments". on the other side of this, i personally know at least 10 people of native american decent who are attending the same university on a full ride, mainly because they are native american. one of them graduated with a 2.5 average.
i come from a modest background and i worked my ass off throughout highschool and basically got nothing for my efforts because im not a minority. now how is that fair? i see that as racism as well




and on the original topic of michael richards...the dude was out of line...if he would have left the racial slurs out of what he was saying to the hecklers, he would have been justified...but since he didnt...i think he was out of line

 

[Going-West]

i graduated highschool with a 4.7 gpa, fairly good test scores, and community service. the local university i am currently attending gave me 10k over four years

i personally know at least 10 people of native american decent who are attending the same university on a full ride, mainly because they are native american. one of them graduated with a 2.5 average.

Exactly why affirmative action sucks, this guy shouldn't have to pay because of what other people, many years ago did to another group of people.

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

Exactly why affirmative action sucks, this guy shouldn't have to pay because of what other people, many years ago did to another group of people.

i dont believe in affirmative action at all... i believe in extra education opportunities for minorities..

 

[oc_civic]

side discussion:

***insert conversation where a friend of mine tries to prove that most businesses are owned by whites**

the fact that there are a lot of business ventures owned by white peopel does not prove anything in regards to oportunity.. there are countless successfull black business people.. it is illogical to assume that a race that has only had its freedom for a very short period of time would have established equal amounts of wealth when compared to other ethnicities.. look at men and women and you will see the same.. there was a point in history where men and women were not considered equal.. they are now... we have yet to see a none white male president.. things like this will change with time.... and are changing.. opportunity is there for those who will take it..

 

[oc_civic]

i dont believe in affirmative action at all... i believe in extra education opportunities for minorities..

so you believe my child should be shorted for being "white".. cool

thats actually a pretty obnoxious thing to say the more i think about it.. it illustrates your obvious racism.. i mean you cant be more blatent.. you DONT believe in equality.. which in turn makes you a racist.. you dont believe in education based on need.. you believe in it based on race.. hopefully as you go through life you will adjust this position

 

[NOFX]

so you believe my child should be shorted for being "white".. cool

thats actually a pretty obnoxious thing to say the more i think about it.. it illustrates your obvious racism. i mean you cant be more blatent.. you DONT believe in equality.. which in turn makes you a racist.. you dont believe in education based on need.. you believe in it based on race.. hopefully as you go through life you will adjust this position

I know I might get flamed for this... but....

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is what I've been wanting to say for a long time now.

 

[Going-West]

i dont believe in affirmative action at all... i believe in extra education opportunities for minorities..

affirmative action?
the encouragement of increased representation of women and minority-group members, esp. in employment.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/affirmative action

Affirmative action is a policy or a program whose stated goal is to redress past discrimination through active measures to ensure equal opportunity, as in education and employment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

So you don't believe in reperations of the past in the form increased opportunity for minorities, you just believe in increased opportunities for minorities. I don't see a difference.

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

so you believe my child should be shorted for being "white".. cool

thats actually a pretty obnoxious thing to say the more i think about it.. it illustrates your obvious racism.. i mean you cant be more blatent.. you DONT believe in equality.. which in turn makes you a racist.. you dont believe in education based on need.. you believe in it based on race.. hopefully as you go through life you will adjust this position

i guess im a racist then
i dont feel like defending myself anymore if your gonna be an a*****e

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

affirmative action?
the encouragement of increased representation of women and minority-group members, esp. in employment.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/affirmative action

Affirmative action is a policy or a program whose stated goal is to redress past discrimination through active measures to ensure equal opportunity, as in education and employment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

So you don't believe in reperations of the past in the form increased opportunity for minorities, you just believe in increased opportunities for minorities. I don't see a difference.

edit this does make me think and rethink my view.
hmm i dont believe in either of those definitions so i guess i have to change my statement

f**k it ive been pulling an all nighter for a circuits test and going back and forth

i believe if you grow up in a f**ked up ass neighborhood and go to a f**ked up school you should get money.. I think that there should be an auditor should decide if s**t is your fault or not.. he would see if you are lazy (then you get nothing) or if your mom is a crackhead and your father beats you (then you get to go to college) if your poor and white and grew up in a f**ked up neighborhood it would be the same

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

I know I might get flamed for this... but....

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is what I've been wanting to say for a long time now.

who gives a f**k how does that even add to the conversation. ive been wanting to say the people who say kramer is justified in saying hes a nigger are racist but i didnt.. OOPS looks like i did

 

[Going-West]

edit this does make me think and rethink my view.
hmm i dont believe in either of those definitions so i guess i have to change my statement

f**k it ive been pulling an all nighter for a circuits test and going back and forth

i believe if you grow up in a f**ked up ass neighborhood and go to a f**ked up school you should get money f**k it.. I think that there should be an auditor should decide if s**t is your fault or not.. he would see if you are lazy (then you get nothing) or if your mom is a crackhead and your father beats you (then you get to go to college)

I believe school even in f**ked up neigborhood's should get the same funding and give the same opportunities to everyone because the kids would ultimatley get better jobs and have more money, and said f**ked up neighborhood would get cleaned up. Honestly if you give money to all the kids in an inner-city project a lot of it is going to drugs (i realize thats a harsh generalization but dammit its true) which would only worsen the problem IMO. That personal auditor thing, combined with the money given out would cost too much for minimal benefit.

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

I believe school even in f**ked up neigborhood's should get the same funding and give the same opportunities to everyone because the kids would ultimatley get better jobs and have more money, and said f**ked up neighborhood would get cleaned up. Honestly if you give money to all the kids in an inner-city project a lot of it is going to drugs (i realize thats a harsh generalization but dammit its true) which would only worsen the problem IMO. That personal auditor thing, combined with the money given out would cost too much for minimal benefit.

so welfare shouldnt exist?

 

[Going-West]

so welfare shouldnt exist?

The difference is welfare is equal. Welfare is available to people of all races, who can prove they are active in looking for a job or education or whatever. It has nothing to do with race. If you're saying minorities should be more elligable for welfare than whites, than no it shouldn't exist, that's segregation. Welfare that provides for all people that can be proven to be responsible and activley looking for other means of money should exist.

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

The difference is welfare is equal. Welfare is available to people of all races, who can prove they are active in looking for a job or education or whatever. It has nothing to do with race. If you're saying minorities should be more elligable for welfare than whites, than no it shouldn't exist, that's segregation. Welfare that provides for all people that can be proven to be responsible and activley looking for other means of money should exist.

aight. i agree.. i edited my post right after you quoted so you missed the last part too

 

[Going-West]

aight. i agree.. i edited my post right after you quoted so you missed the last part too

Cool man

Good luck on your tests.

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

Cool man

Good luck on your tests.

thanks bro

10 oclock is too soon

 

[got traction]

i dont believe in affirmative action at all... i believe in extra education opportunities for minorities..

so a kid that is native american, or black or chineese or whatever other minority should get a better education than my white child because my child isnt a minority? f**k that s**t. wanna see kids with f**ked up lifes? come to where i am right now.

 

[Astheros]

and you actually just by being black have more chance than me.. an average boring white person.. seriously..

wow....OC...you are dead wrong on this one buddy. if you take a minority person and describe him the way you just described yourself word for word....guess what.

you would hold more power than him/her by margin of the color of your skin.

 

[Astheros]

so a kid that is native american, or black or chineese or whatever other minority should get a better education than my white child because my child isnt a minority? f**k that s**t. wanna see kids with f**ked up lifes? come to where i am right now.

if a kid who goes to a shitty school, grows up in a f**ked up house....lives in a f**ked up community can manage to make it to college. imagine what he/she can do if they went to a great school. grew up in a great house and lived in the suburbs. this is the difference.

also...if you have two equal kids...one being white and the other being a minority...the minority kid is actually a better candidate for acceptance because he is that a minority. he is different from the norm in this country and this makes him contribute to the diversity of perspectives in a classroom. different ideas is what learning is all about...a classroom with 20 white kids...is not as good a learning experience as a classroom with 5 blacks, 5 latinos, 5 whites, and 5 asians or something.

this is also a big argument for affirmative action. it actually helps everyone to admit the minority kid when all else is equal.