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[NOFX]

you know your right the few amount of black kids you grew up with did have equal chances like you did


there is nothing wrong with your logic.. you are just a classic case of how most dont know how it really is

you have never seen inner city schools or even been in inner city minority areas so this is why you think this way..

Btw theres alot more black kids in the inner city schools then the ones that you grew up with

How would you know that the school I went to wasn't inner city? How do you know how many black kids went there too?

metal detectors to keep drug dealors and weapons out

dangerous neighborhoods where you just cant simply "walk to school"

poor teaching because good teachers are too afraid to work in dangerous neighborhood..

budget cuts.. no afterschool activities..

I bet youve never even seen an inner city school.. They look like prisons.. Many have chicken wire on the fences..

I didnt take into account that most have no clue what really goes on .... if youve seen what ive seen and you still think black have equal opportunities then your probally a racist

My school had metal detectors. We had cops too. So did the surrounding schools. There are certainly some places that it wouldn't be a good idea to walk to school or even wait for the bus. We had some real crap teachers too. I was in band and never once was I even given music (I played the f**king 'piano'!).

I remember seeing people getting arrested and oh, don't forget the guy who touched me inappropriately ended up later going to jail for murder. I got called in to be a character witness. Fun. (White guy btw!)

for example, how many whites do you see in harvard? many, i am sure. now, how many blacks do you see in harvard? for whatever reason, they are outnumbered, so society gives them a hand up (not a hand out) to hopefully make a better life for themselves.

I honeslty couldn 't give you the name of anyone off hand who went to Harvard. Black, white, whatever.

(Not to mention if you bring up names of politicians or anyone else 50+ then you're particularly going to run into the argument that schools were still segregated, etc. back then.)

 

[MR99si]

metal detectors to keep drug dealors and weapons out



dangerous neighborhoods where you just cant simply "walk to school"



poor teaching because good teachers are too afraid to work in dangerous neighborhood..

Yes but who is bringing the drugs and weapons to the schools, why are the neighborhoods not safe to walk in, why are the teachers afraid?

 

[NOFX]

Yes but who is bringing the drugs and weapons to the schools, why are the neighborhoods not safe to walk in, why are the teachers afraid?

Because the white people hold the black people down and make them commit crimes since the white people are making them poor by keeping the black and tan people from getting decent educations and jobs.

At least that's an abbreviated version of what I hear.

Don't get me wrong, I know there are racist people out there. I just think some people use racism as an excuse for everytime things don't go their way. And overall I think there are very very few racist organizations out there (save for organized groups such as the KKK, Black Panthers, etc.). When I mention groups I mean companies, colleges, departments of law, etc.

 

[br0nx finest]

Because the white people hold the black people down and make them commit crimes since the white people are making them poor by keeping the black and tan people from getting decent educations and jobs.

At least that's an abbreviated version of what I hear.

Don't get me wrong, I know there are racist people out there. I just think some people use racism as an excuse for everytime things don't go their way. And overall I think there are very very few racist organizations out ther (save for organized groups such as the KKK, Black Panthers, etc.).

no, thats what must be what you want to hear.

no one makes those black and tan people commit crimes. i am a prime example of a tan person who is non-criminal, and blackhope is a prime example of black person who is non-criminal and going for a more than decent education.

there are plenty of people who break out of that "cycle" and it has alot to do w/ sociology. if this topic interests you, i suggest looking into a course or reading up a bit more on sociology and the inner city issues.

 

[NOFX]

no, thats what must be what you want to hear.

no one makes those black and tan people commit crimes. i am a prime example of a tan person who is non-criminal, and blackhope is a prime example of black person who is non-criminal and going for a more than decent education.

there are plenty of people who break out of that "cycle" and it has alot to do w/ sociology. if this topic interests you, i suggest looking into a course or reading up a bit more on sociology and the inner city issues.

What I want to hear? I can't imagine why I'd want to hear that. I swear this is what I've been told.

That the only reason that black people and other minorities (I said "tan" not to be racist, but because seriously that's what people are to me.. I have trouble telling races apart and if a piunkish person can be called white and a chocolate colored person can be called black, I think it's fair to call a tan colored person tan.) commit crimes is because they have to because they can't get better schooling and jobs like white people do.

And trust me, I'm very aware that even if a person is born into a bad environm,ent, they can pull themselves up and manage to be a better person and have a good job, etc. I know that a person doesn't have to commit crime.

And I just thought of this... I think I remember seeing a home in the background of some of BlackHope's photos. It didn't look like a bad place to live. It looked similar to where my grandparents live in fact.

 

[ryan89crx]

no, thats what must be what you want to hear.

no one makes those black and tan people commit crimes. i am a prime example of a tan person who is non-criminal, and blackhope is a prime example of black person who is non-criminal and going for a more than decent education.

there are plenty of people who break out of that "cycle" and it has alot to do w/ sociology. if this topic interests you, i suggest looking into a course or reading up a bit more on sociology and the inner city issues.

but you/blackhope are trying to say that since you are a minority, and you grew up in the inner city, that you had it much worse off than anyone else in the country. and that you deserve more handouts to make up for it...

tell that to the kids that were shot in the school shooting in Moses Lake, WA....a place that is nowhere near considered an "inner city". im positive that they would beg to differ that inner city kids have it rougher than anywhere else...

 

[NOFX]

I remember living in Smyrna, DE (first apartment, shared with my younger sister) and some kids pulled out a gun and shot another kid one road over at a club. If I remember right the description said a black female was shot... but I could be wrong. I have no idea about the description of the shooter(s).

And I still remember when Smyrna was featured on American's Most Wanted.... They found a murderer there. They mispronounced it to "Smear-na, Delaware". It's more like "smer-na", first syllable rhymes with "her".

The guy I knew who I said ended up murdering someone, he's in the prison that's in Smyrna. At night when they're trouble, like an inmate escaping, you hear the alarm start ringing out to the east.

And that town is about 5 miles north of my old house.

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

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And I just thought of this... I think I remember seeing a home in the background of some of BlackHope's photos. It didn't look like a bad place to live. It looked similar to where my grandparents live in fact.

naw sweety dont get the game f**ked up.. you dont know me

 

[ShinsenTuner]

Lemme make things clear....

I am saying If you went to an inner city school lived in the inner city and know what im talking about and you believe that you had equal opportunity to the rest of the country then your are probally a racist.

My roommate agrees he would have taken that the wrong way too

Pretty much... in most of my Honors classes 90% of the students went to a private school at one time. I rare have classes with people I knew from middle school.. i guess it's all in the individual at times.

 

[NOFX]

naw sweety dont get the game f**ked up.. you dont know me

What did I say wrong? And why do you have to use curse words toward me when I said nothing wrong?

I said your dad's house looked like a nice place. It was a nice brock home. I didn't think that would ever be taken as offensive...

I don't think I have to know the occupants to be able to drive by their house and say, "That looks like a nice house."

 

[br0nx finest]

Pretty much... in most of my Honors classes 90% of the students went to a private school at one time. I rare have classes with people I knew from middle school.. i guess it's all in the individual at times.

surely there are exceptions. but the general trend is that private school "teaches" students more effectively although it is arguable that they lose a bit in social skills because as far as i knew private schools lacked that side of things.

is it agreed that general trend:

private > public schools in terms of quality of education?

 

[ryan89crx]

is it agreed that general trend:

private > public schools in terms of quality of education?

definately. all the kids that came out of private schools and into public high schools around here seemed to have a better grasp on most subjects

 

[Going-West]

No, there shouldn't.

Like I said before, reperation does not bring equality, it brings segregation. The only thing that can bring equaity is equality.

 

[MR99si]

Like I said before, reperation doesnot bring equality, it brings segregation. The only thing that can bring equaity is equality.

 

[Astheros]

it is statisically evident that whites are "better off" than most minorities, due to the networks they have and the opportunities they are granted. there is a reason minorities are offered scholarships brotha.

for example, how many whites do you see in harvard? many, i am sure. now, how many blacks do you see in harvard? for whatever reason, they are outnumbered, so society gives them a hand up (not a hand out) to hopefully make a better life for themselves.

if you had ever taken a sociology class, or study this field you will see more and more reasons why minorities end up staying in the same class they were born in. it is true that at times, minorities are granted privleges that they do not appreciate or did not work exactly as hard as their majority counterparts but why aren't you guys flaming the jews in that case?

jews receive a handout from all sides, and often they are the ones who run the government behind the scenes. their situations drag us to war, force us to be involved, and give them nothing but a card to play on why they deserve to have all sorts of segregated resources for their race. is that not unfair?

i am latino, and i have not received a hand up in anyway or form. i pay for my own school, work my ass off to pay all my bills, and sell HIDs on the side in order to mod my car. my parents used to drive/commute with me almost an hour from my home in order to keep me in a good elementary/junior high school, and there was nothing but obstacles for students from outside the neighborhood, there was no sort of "affirmative action" so i worked my ass off and kept my nose out of trouble...knowing that i'd be kicked out at the first opportunity, i never played my race card. heck, i wish i was eligible for some sort of scholarship...

but on another note, there are bad/unworthy people of every race, i hope you guys realize this and do not isolate the bottom of the bucket and moan about how they get everything handed to them...most of these people will never elevate beyond their project building. either they come to the conclusion that they aren't going anywhere in life, or they die struggling. it is less than 50% that get to push beyond those glass ceilings to make a life for themselves.

and if you are a minority, who is so far successful in your life, here's a fist pump for you!!

finally...someone gets the point...just wait i am sure someone will find somethign wrong in your logic..

s**t...people here just dont think...i was called UNEDUCATED AND NOT DESERVING....eventhough i graduated from the UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN.

 

[NOFX]

jews receive a handout from all sides, and often they are the ones who run the government behind the scenes. their situations drag us to war, force us to be involved, and give them nothing but a card to play on why they deserve to have all sorts of segregated resources for their race. is that not unfair?

 

[Astheros]

What did I say wrong? And why do you have to use curse words toward me when I said nothing wrong?

I said your dad's house looked like a nice place. It was a nice brock home. I didn't think that would ever be taken as offensive...

I don't think I have to know the occupants to be able to drive by their house and say, "That looks like a nice house."

probably because youre making assumptions about how his life looks fine based on a pic of a house on one of his pics. people will get offended when they were and are still fighting to stay a good kid in the crappiest of places (where sometimes you will be killed for trying to be a good kid) just to have someone diminish all they have done by saying that he didnt have it that bad.

 

[NOFX]

probably because youre making assumptions about how his life looks fine based on a pic of a house on one of his pics. people will get offended when they were and are still fighting to stay a good kid in the crappiest of places (where sometimes you will be killed for trying to be a good kid) just to have someone diminish all they have done by saying that he didnt have it that bad.

Sounds like you and he read too much into that.

I was trying to say, "Hey, look, both my family and your family can afford similar homes."

 

[Astheros]

Like I said before, reperation does not bring equality, it brings segregation. The only thing that can bring equaity is equality.

well thats the thing brotha....there is no equality...to go back to the couple responses that dealt with inner city schools.

go to an inner city school....look at the textbooks, the chairs, the walls, the posters, the hallways, the cafeteria, the rules, the classes offered, the teacher's certifications, the administration's certifications, etc, etc....you will see that inner city schools are a different world from your preppy urban schools that sometimes look f**king bigger than some small colleges.

those that make it out of this world....deserve the most respect because they beat a system that so far is designed to steer them not towards higher education but towards the quickest job they can find.

i am not saying that white kids dont go to these schools either...and i argue for them as well as i argue for minorities....but the truth is that the number of white kids in schools like these is very very small my friend.

so i agree with you..only equality can bring equality....so where is it? cause i dont see it.

 

[Astheros]

and yes, minorites get s**t handed to them left and right ..... case in point

my south african cousins. Great at playing tennis. Birmingham alabama gave them both FULL RIDE SCHOLARSHIPS including AIRFARE and everything to come to college using south african high school credits.

Yet here, i cant even use credits from a COLLEGE in CONCORD, CA to get into a California State University, so i had to piss away the last 2 1/2 years of my life at the f**kin community college doing all the same s**t i already did over again becuase www.heald.edu sucks a fat one.

your example has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with talent. i am sure if you were good at anything a college could use you for...you would also have a free ride to CSU. and it seems youre arguing that youre at a disadvantage cause you didnt get credits for your other school..thats called s**t out of luck and no prior planning buddy. has nothing to do with what group you belong to.

i transferred to U of M after my first year at a city college cause i knew i deserved and was talented enough for better. i didnt transfer all my credits...i f**king sucked it up...took 50+k in loans to afford out of state tuition and didnt complaint that it might be because someone is screwing me over.