Michael Richards (Kramer from Seinfield) Flips out
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I totally agree that a diverse classroom is a better classroom, but a kid that can't make it into that classroom by his own intelligence, test score, essay or whatever doesn't deserve to be in it. Diversity in a classroom is important, but that doesn't mean a smart white kid should not be admitted into a certain school because they need more minority students, even if the white kid deserves to be in that classroom by prerequisites more.Astheros said:
Don't the other kids in the class deserve to be in a class filled with a bunch of smart people who deserve to be there? By the way, thats nor a generalization or a racial steryotype. If there was a classroom with 90% black kids and the white people in that area scored lower on a test or wrote a crappier essay than the black kids, the black kids should be let in.
If they are equal in intelligence or whatever, I think that classroom should be organized with more diversity however. Like if there are 10 4.0 GPA black kids and 10 4.0 GPA white kids admitted to a school, they shouldn't be segregated into a white class and a black class. But if it comes down to admitting a stupider black, latino, asian student into a classroom when theres a smarter white guy/girl out there, thats wrong.
right... so starving kids have a choice. They get nothing cause all they do all day is sit around starving instead of getting a joboc_civic said:
You got the game all f**ked up buddy.
Racism clouds my judgement though so i probally dont know anything
In your perfect world of equality
all ambitious people would be at the top
and all lazy people would be starving.. I guess all homeless people are just lazy. And if your the presidents son you have the same chance of succeeding as a boy who spends his day looking for food.
People dont ever get thrown in jail just cause their black. And if they do its the same amount as whites getting thrown in jail without cause
50 years ago s**t wasnt equal what makes you there was a sudden change? What cause they took the whites only signs down..
I myself am very fortunate but its so ignorant to say blacks have it just as easy as whites in this country please :rolls:
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I don't know what he believes, but any non ignorant person in this country knows this country is not equal. But theres in a difference between believing and striving for equality, and thinking the world is something that it isn't. And like I said certain things like affirmative action bring segregation, and not equality. Equality is something that will come with acts of making people equal, not making one person better than the other. We've certainly got a long way to go though.
Btw, there is a huge difference between being a racist and being biased, which I think you are. Every person in the world is bias, and every person will swing to one side of an argument. To say that BlackHope hates white people I think is overdoing it a little, he's just biased towards one side, which I think everyone in this thread is, it's human nature.
Btw, there is a huge difference between being a racist and being biased, which I think you are. Every person in the world is bias, and every person will swing to one side of an argument. To say that BlackHope hates white people I think is overdoing it a little, he's just biased towards one side, which I think everyone in this thread is, it's human nature.
first of all, if you keep the "stupider" black/latino/asian out of the smarter class, they'll never get a chance to get ahead. white kids are more often than not "better off" than their minority counterparts, and this is a FACT. the exception is low-income whites, "trailer park trash" or whatever stupid names they were given.Going-West said:
many of these perspectives shouted in this thread are a bit false to me, as i can see racism still to this day in some shape or form. but i guess you guys live in a community where you don't see this. i doubt blackhope is biased, thats a person i know gives equal opportunity for the most part.
but really what is the issue w/ giving minorities scholarships? they are from third-party companies who usually just try to gain an influence w/ that ethnicity.
anything else i wanted to say has already been said by astheros, he's the man
NO.. but they are not MY responsibility..thats the part you are missing.. every two weeks.. i pay into unemployment for example.. guess how many times ive received unemployment.. thats right.. a whopping zero.. when i lost my job.. i went and found another.. i DONT dig socialism at the expense of society as a whole.. sink or swim.. life is not easy.. ive BEEN HOMELESS.. and you know what.. ive dealt with it.. ive gotten by.. ive suffered in ways that would surprise you.. i DONT rely on my government or rand0m handouts to save my ass.. i rely on ONE thing.. and that is myself..BlackHope121 said:right... so starving kids have a choice. They get nothing cause all they do all day is sit around starving instead of getting a job
You got the game all f**ked up buddy.
BlackHope121 said:
BlackHope121 said:
your statement sounds racist to me.. im sorry if that stings.. saying that your child is afforded more educational options because hes black and my child is white is pretty offensive to me.. if you cant see why then take off your blindfold..teh dictionary said:
sounds to me like you dig afirmative action.. afirmative action is NOT soley in the work place..teh dictionary said:
this IS the way things work.. regardless of the adversity you face.. if you push through your own struggles you WILL be at the top..BlackHope121 said:
many rich and famous people were homeless at times due to circumstance.. as stated.. ive been homeless.. s**t happens and you can either sit and cry about it or you can get off your ass and DO something... i opted to do the second of the two..BlackHope121 said:
i will not even bother replying to this.. as its unsubstantiated propaganda... when someone is unjustly jailed they have the ability to gain retribution through the system.. OR they can sit and cry about it..BlackHope121 said:
neither were women.. but they put down thier violin.. what makes me think there is a sudden change.. hmm.. maybe its the endless number of black people who are more successfull than myself.. a white person... i see on a daily basis countless business men and women who happen to be black.. and they appear to be doing just fine..BlackHope121 said:
your right.. you have it so hard.... please tell me what gross injustices have been done to YOU because you were black.. but im willing to bet if we have a pissing match with stories of how we were s**t on growing up.. mine.. will be worse..BlackHope121 said:
i dont know why you cant get over it.. your black.. its SIMPLY ethnicity.. it has not a thing to do with who you are and what you can become.. you will succede in life for the same reason i have... you choose to..
continuing to PROMOTE segregation will NOT get you more equality
hating white people has nothing to do with being racist.. being racist indicates that you believe race indicates difference.. which it DOES NOT.. enviormental factors dictate behavior.. very little is NOT learned.. take "the presidents" 2 month old and move him to the african savanah.. raise him with a local tribe.. and come back in 20 years.. you will have a "white" african tribesman..the ONLY thing race dictates are physical atributes.. very LITTLE else..Going-West said:
snoopy316 said:
s**t cracks me up, love seeing those rejects that put diamonds and s**t in their teeth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hggDPB4u9Q
OC, sometimes you rub me the wrong way, and im sure vice versa...
but im glad you entered this thread. the way you describe things is exactly the way i think but the translation is lost between my mind and my mouth/hands...
but im glad you entered this thread. the way you describe things is exactly the way i think but the translation is lost between my mind and my mouth/hands...
what about the 'stupid' white kids...who get into colleges cause they are legacy's or theyre connected to a big donation or something.Going-West said:
if most people made some research, you would figure out that when balanced against each other. the extra points a minority can gain for being a minority is very little. when you take into consideration that students also get points for donations, working for the university, being a legacy, being a poor white, (yes they do) and all other kinds of stuff. the difference left is 'extra points' for contributing to the diversity of a classroom like i said before which is not a handout.
edit: if if a minority gets extra points cause affirmative action or what not...that does not mean they are not qualified to succeed at the school. a college has the moral responsibility of not admitting someone if they cannot succeed at it..trust me, a college will not admit someone that they think cannot handle the load of the college, wether they are minority or not.
this is just to show the numerous reasons as to why people get points. for being a minority, for a being poor, for being an athlete, for the quality of schools they went to. if you think one thing is wrong....i think then that argument can be made for a lot of things on this page. but i dont hear anyone complaining about anything other than race. and people just dont get admitted for being black...(thats a dumb way to look at it) you get the points cause youre underrepresented (many reasons why someone is underrepresented) and because your diversity adds to the learning environment.
yeah in theory they do...in practice however....minorities have not been attending college until recently for one reason or another so guess what....they have no points from legacies.oc_civic said:those systems would apply to none white students as well
minority scholarships would not...
so i call bs...
minorities have not been able to gain wealth until recently so guess what...they have no points for donations.
so yeah in theory its available to everyone...in practice however, we all know who 90% of the people giving huge donations and being legacies are.
the point of what i said went right over your head...Astheros said:
the factors you describe could apply to anyone.. its a scale.. but to weigh ethnicity at all is stupid and useless as it has NO bearing on anything.. need to experience diversity? buy a plane ticket to new york and spend the weekend.. its one of the most diverse places ive ever been to.. your ethnicity should be of NO consideration in regards to schooling...
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This has gone on longer then I think it should have =\.. This is going to turn into a HUGE racial thread (Already has).
Minorities do have it rougher at the beginning, but when they take the opportunity to get a greater education and go up in the world, they have one MAJOR advantage to them, affirmative action. This, I believe, is something that should not exist. Period. If you want a job, then you should have the push to get a job, not from a law, but from yourself. You want to show the world you can make it on your own? SHOW IT. Get the job, act professional and don't feel like the job should be given to you because your a minority.
Welfare, I believe this should exist, but should have a time limit. I see too many people who don't work because the welfare supports them. I believe welfare should only give you a check for a year, unless you can PROVE why you can't get a job (disability, ect.), not just because your a lazy f**k. I believe this is one area that needs a BIG reworking.
E.G.
http://www.blackexcel.org/200-Scholarships.html
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/minorities.html
http://www.finaid.org/otheraid/minority.phtml
Did you also know, if you are a minority, you have a better chance of getting a scholarship or grant than if you are a white. Don't call bullshit on this either, want proof? Call around, do some research and find out.
I used to live in a nice neighborhood, people took care of their yards and houses, everyone got along.. And then.. Prices started going up, people started selling, and then people from down below (Los Angeles, Ontario, ect.) started moving up here to get away "from all the violence," but they brung that up here because they get the image that the hood is "cool" the hood will get you get through everything.
You want to prove the world wrong? Don't bring that s**t around with you, show them that you ARE trying to get away from it and such.
Did you know, our city (Victorville), used to be a nice city? Used to very rarely hear of a murder.. Now we are just as bad as Los Angeles (Source: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/30/D8L2OIB80.html) which is based on FBI Filings.
All I'm trying to say, is that if you want to prove the world wrong, then change some of the ways other minorities work. Make them get off welfare, make them become a citizen, all that, and become a person that people look up to.
Minorities do have it rougher at the beginning, but when they take the opportunity to get a greater education and go up in the world, they have one MAJOR advantage to them, affirmative action. This, I believe, is something that should not exist. Period. If you want a job, then you should have the push to get a job, not from a law, but from yourself. You want to show the world you can make it on your own? SHOW IT. Get the job, act professional and don't feel like the job should be given to you because your a minority.
Welfare, I believe this should exist, but should have a time limit. I see too many people who don't work because the welfare supports them. I believe welfare should only give you a check for a year, unless you can PROVE why you can't get a job (disability, ect.), not just because your a lazy f**k. I believe this is one area that needs a BIG reworking.
Wrong. If you did some research, you'd realize, more then enough scholarships AND grants are for minorities.
E.G.
http://www.blackexcel.org/200-Scholarships.html
http://scholarships.fatomei.com/minorities.html
http://www.finaid.org/otheraid/minority.phtml
Did you also know, if you are a minority, you have a better chance of getting a scholarship or grant than if you are a white. Don't call bullshit on this either, want proof? Call around, do some research and find out.
I used to live in a nice neighborhood, people took care of their yards and houses, everyone got along.. And then.. Prices started going up, people started selling, and then people from down below (Los Angeles, Ontario, ect.) started moving up here to get away "from all the violence," but they brung that up here because they get the image that the hood is "cool" the hood will get you get through everything.
You want to prove the world wrong? Don't bring that s**t around with you, show them that you ARE trying to get away from it and such.
Did you know, our city (Victorville), used to be a nice city? Used to very rarely hear of a murder.. Now we are just as bad as Los Angeles (Source: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/30/D8L2OIB80.html) which is based on FBI Filings.
All I'm trying to say, is that if you want to prove the world wrong, then change some of the ways other minorities work. Make them get off welfare, make them become a citizen, all that, and become a person that people look up to.
can you elaborate.. because i dont really undertand the question.. ive worked under "minority" senoir staff before and it was not even a thought? i just went in and listened and did my job.. i never even thought for a second to question his race and position..? maybe im not understanding your point?Astheros said:
1A. if you did some research, youd realize more than enough scholarships and grants we are not elligible for.No Regrets said:
2A. anyone has the same chance of getting a scholarship...there are millions of scholarships that go unused every year...to focus on complaining cause one group gets some goes to show that you are too lazy to look for those that YOU have a greater chance of getting. there are grants for everyone...its just that minority scholarships are more public cause of discussions like this thread.
3A. i never needed to change they ways i work cause i was always a good kid. i was never on welfare. i am a citizen. i think most people would agree that i am someone kids can look up to. guess what...if you look at the bigger picture...in this country...i am still not as important as the white man next to me even after i did everything you said we should do.
explain this to me please.