To cage or not to cage? That is the question.

[ryan89crx]

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is that roll bar NHRA approved for cars running 11.99 and faster?

 

[si-hatch86]

is that roll bar NHRA approved for cars running 11.99 and faster?

your car wont EVER be that fast so u dont have to worry bout 11.9 aproved roll bars. jk.
thanks for the link oc.

 

[oc_civic]

one last time, anything from the windshield back to the roll bar is not protected, in other words your head. i don't know how to make it anymore clear than that. keep defending your expensive RACING equipment for street use, that's how all these threads end up anyway. you get explained to in clear terms why you spent tons of money on stuff that isn't even used for the intention it was built for, and now your feelings get hurt so you defend it till the end. your setup isn't safe for the street end of story.

im not hurt at all.. you just fail at giving any solid info.. cars come with roll bars similar to the autopower one.. (see below)

the only difference is i also have a harness system.. there is NOTHING in that setup that makes my setup more dangerous than these other FACTORY roll bars..

a roll bar is NOT dangerous.. it COMES with MANY cars.. a harness installed correctly is NOT dangerous.. you are NOT explaining anything.. why is a jeep roll bar NOT dangerous and my roll bar is.. let me help you.. they are the SAME.. only im LESS likely to actually come in contact with it..

 

[oc_civic]

is that roll bar NHRA approved for cars running 11.99 and faster?

no.. for that they need to be weld in as far as im aware..

 

[Beelzebubba]

there's a good chance that without an ANSI approved helmet, you could smack your head on the roll bar and suffer a massive brain injury....but then again you could just be cruising along and have a truck in front of you spit a piece of re-bar out and skewer you like a human shish-kabab.

 

[oc_civic]

there's a good chance that without an ANSI approved helmet, you could smack your head on the roll bar and suffer a massive brain injury....but then again you could just be cruising along and have a truck in front of you spit a piece of re-bar out and skewer you like a human shish-kabab.

define good chance.. beause i strongly disagree.. seated in an approved seat with harness... the ONLY way my head is contacting the main hoop is if my seat is crushed back and up..

 

[Rand0m]

....but then again you could just be cruising along and have a truck in front of you spit a piece of re-bar out and skewer you like a human shish-kabab.

wait wait wait, let me get this straight....your saying you're not able to predict when some foreign object is just gonna rand0mly fly thru your windsheild??

ahhh, i guess thats why they are called ACCIDENTS

 

[ryan89crx]

define good chance.. beause i strongly disagree.. seated in an approved seat with harness... the ONLY way my head is contacting the main hoop is if my seat is crushed back and up..

when my bud got rear-ended in his Teggy, both seat brackets broke and the 2 front seats ended up laying flat onto the rear bench...

that might cause some contact with the bar, unless the bar stops the seat and stays between your head and the hoop

 

[oc_civic]

when my bud got rear-ended in his Teggy, both seat brackets broke and the 2 front seats ended up laying flat onto the rear bench...

that might cause some contact with the bar, unless the bar stops the seat and stays between your head and the hoop
the horizontal harness bar would stop that from happening..

the horizontal harness bar would stop tha from happening..

 

[vandynamics]

i was in a jeep that flipped 3 times. the reson it flipped was because its suspension was lifted a decent amount to cater to offroading. once i regained consciousness it turned out the rollbar kept me from getting f**ked up big time. i was sitting in the back seat w/ my seatbelt on.

 

[Beelzebubba]

define good chance.. beause i strongly disagree.. seated in an approved seat with harness... the ONLY way my head is contacting the main hoop is if my seat is crushed back and up..

Okay maybe I should have left out "good".

Point was that a lotta' s**t could happen.

 

[oc_civic]

ok for anyone who still thinks that its MORE dangerous please explain to me how an autopower bar is more dangerous than say one in a jeep.. i mean i have NO issue being "wrong" or openly admiting it (like in that thread about missles) but just using a little logic tells me that my cars roll bar is NO more dangerous than any factory roll bar.. and it is my opinion that when coupled with the other items it is in fact safer, and that is why it is required in race cars..

 

[Heretic:Si]

i will try one more time. a harness and a roll bar in a street car is dangerous for all the reasons i already stated numerous times. street conditions are an unknown, anything can happen, objects, other cars, pedestrians etc. tracks aren't perfect but they have alot less unknowns.

in a street car:
roll bar and harness=dangerous, no movement incase of FRONTAL roof cave in
roll bar and stock seatbelt=more safe than above, movement incase of FRONTAL roof cave in, EXTRA upper protection
harness bar and harness=VERY dangerous, no movement no upper protection

i hope this explains what i mean, i don't know how to be anymore clear than this. i would use your setup "oc civic" autoxing but on the street i would not use the takata's, i would just stick with the oem seatbelts.

edit: your rollbar is ONLY dangerous if your head were to hit. it's the harness combined with it on the streets that is the problem.

 

[vandynamics]

i will try one more time. a harness and a roll bar in a street car is dangerous for all the reasons i already stated numerous times. street conditions are an unknown, anything can happen, objects, other cars, pedestians etc. tracks aren't perfect but they have alot less unknowns.

in a street car:
roll bar and harness=dangerous, no movement incase of FRONTAL roof cave in
roll bar and stock seatbelt=more safe than above, movement incase of FRONTAL roof cave in, EXTRA upper protection
harness bar and harness=VERY dangerous, no movement no upper protection

i hope this explains what i mean, i don't know how to be anymore clear than this. i would use your setup "oc civic" autoxing but on the street i would not use the takata's, i would just stick with the oem seatbelts.

edit: your rollbar is ONLY dangerous if your head were to hit. it's the harness combined with it on the streets that is the problem.

another important thing to note is that on a racetrack there is much more readily available ambulance and crash support if things do go bad. everyday street isnt so forgiving.

 

[Gonzo]

i will try one more time. a harness and a roll bar in a street car is dangerous for all the reasons i already stated numerous times. street conditions are an unknown, anything can happen, objects, other cars, pedestians etc. tracks aren't perfect but they have alot less unknowns.

in a street car:
roll bar and harness=dangerous, no movement incase of FRONTAL roof cave in
roll bar and stock seatbelt=more safe than above, movement incase of FRONTAL roof cave in, EXTRA upper protection
harness bar and harness=VERY dangerous, no movement no upper protection

i hope this explains what i mean, i don't know how to be anymore clear than this. i would use your setup "oc civic" autoxing but on the street i would not use the takata's, i would just stick with the oem seatbelts.

edit: your rollbar is ONLY dangerous if your head were to hit. it's the harness combined with it on the streets that is the problem.

unless his head is all strech aremstrong style then his head isnt going to the bar. When in those seats AND with the harness's hes not going ne where AT all. If he had the stock seat belts they he could wiggle hs way out of them and start pinballing around the car AND then he might his his head.

 

[ryan89crx]

i will try one more time. a harness and a roll bar in a street car is dangerous for all the reasons i already stated numerous times. street conditions are an unknown, anything can happen, objects, other cars, pedestians etc. tracks aren't perfect but they have alot less unknowns.

in a street car:
roll bar and harness=dangerous, no movement incase of FRONTAL roof cave in
roll bar and stock seatbelt=more safe than above, movement incase of FRONTAL roof cave in, EXTRA upper protection
harness bar and harness=VERY dangerous, no movement no upper protection

i hope this explains what i mean, i don't know how to be anymore clear than this. i would use your setup "oc civic" autoxing but on the street i would not use the takata's, i would just stick with the oem seatbelts.

edit: your rollbar is ONLY dangerous if your head were to hit. it's the harness combined with it on the streets that is the problem.

so the NHRA wants to make your car MORE dangerous the faster you go??

that makes perfect sense...

 

[Heretic:Si]

it's a little harder to hit your head on a roll bar, now if he had a cage that's another story.

also, spelling owns you "gonzo"

edit: the nhra wants you to make your car safer for the TRACK. you also have to wear a helmet at the track. are people going to actually read what i type?

reading owns you "ryan89crx"

 

[oc_civic]

i will try one more time. a harness and a roll bar in a street car is dangerous for all the reasons i already stated numerous times. street conditions are an unknown, anything can happen, objects, other cars, pedestians etc. tracks aren't perfect but they have alot less unknowns..

making that statement does NOTHING to support your claim that a roll bar and harness is dangerous..

in a street car:
roll bar and harness=dangerous, no movement incase of FRONTAL roof cave in.

thats EXACTLY what happened in my friends old (said cutlass it was actually an olds) the roof STARTED to cave in.. the ONLY reason it did not was due to the main hoop..

here let me show you..

the front STARTS to colapse but is then cought by the main hoop of the roll bar..

i will try one more time. a harness and a roll bar in a street car is dangerous for all the reasons i already stated numerous times. street conditions are an unknown, anything can happen, objects, other cars, pedestians etc. tracks aren't perfect but they have alot less unknowns.

in a street car:
roll bar and harness=dangerous, no movement incase of FRONTAL roof cave in
roll bar and stock seatbelt=more safe than above, movement incase of FRONTAL roof cave in, EXTRA upper protection
harness bar and harness=VERY dangerous, no movement no upper protection

i hope this explains what i mean, i don't know how to be anymore clear than this. i would use your setup "oc civic" autoxing but on the street i would not use the takata's, i would just stick with the oem seatbelts.

edit: your rollbar is ONLY dangerous if your head were to hit. it's the harness combined with it on the streets that is the problem.

your suggestion that a roll bar and stock seatbelt as being more safe is totally inaccurate.. it is far less dangerous to be secured to your seat via harness than the factory seatbelt for the following reason..

unless his head is all strech aremstrong style then his head isnt going to the bar. When in those seats AND with the harness's hes not going ne where AT all. If he had the stock seat belts they he could wiggle hs way out of them and start pinballing around the car AND then he might his his head.

 

[Gonzo]

stupidity owns you " Heretic:si"

 

[oc_civic]

it's a little harder to hit your head on a roll bar, now if he had a cage that's another story.

also, spelling owns you "gonzo"

edit: the nhra wants you to make your car safer for the TRACK. you also have to wear a helmet at the track. are people going to actually read what i type?

reading owns you "ryan89crx"

the fact that they make your wear a helmet is no indication of the level of safety roll bar and harness create..

and please dont pick on spelling that is one of the most lame arguments one can make when trying to prove a point..