civic loses to a neon

[scottyfordy]

It's not what you can make it do.

A stock SRT-4 can run the zero to sixty in approximately 5.3 seconds. Car and Driver recently took two compact sports cars and modified them. The cars were a Celica and Civic. After 33,000 dollars of upgrades and replacements, a 240 HP Civic still only ran the zero to sixty in 6.1 seconds. Upgrade your Civic all you want, but an SRT-4 owner will always be faster and upgrading cheaper for power courtesy of Mopar Performance.

 

[Beelzebubba]

did you know that even the WEAKEST neons still have more hp and torque and are faster than any sohc vtec civic stock to stock?

The overwhelming majority of Neons I see are shod with 13" tires and equipped with 3 speed automatics. (A413) I'll spot them the 7hp advantage. My sohc vtec has and will continue to own them. In fact, I'll race any 190,000 mile Neon...oh wait, there aren't any. The head gasket goes at about 60,000 and by then the cost of repairing the Neon is greater than the cost of replacing the car.

 

[$lick Rick]

The overwhelming majority of Neons I see are shod with 13" tires and equipped with 3 speed automatics. (A413) I'll spot them the 7hp advantage. My sohc vtec has and will continue to own them. In fact, I'll race any 190,000 mile Neon...oh wait, there aren't any. The head gasket goes at about 60,000 and by then the cost of repairing the Neon is greater than the cost of replacing the car.

the local dodge dealership should replace the head gasket free of charge as they do here.
domestic resale value is lowered not by the reliablity but by the fact that they are used for fleet vehicles. every year the market is flooded with tens of thousands of lease returns, rental returns, fleet vehicles, and company demo's. when's the last time you ordered a pizza and the guy pulled up in a brand new domino's honda civic? doesnt happen because imports dont fleet their vehicles in the us. dodge/chevy/ford will sell a few thousand vehicles to every state very cheaply, then used for 3 years, and then sold at public auctions or back to the dealer for next to nothing. i have a manheim dealers used vehicle report right in front of me that has all the info anybody could need. all 300pages of reports and graphs show the market value and reasons and the demographic for classic vehicles to used vehicles to new vehicles.

 

[SeanMc300]

hp and tq numbers dont mean that it will win. you should know that. a 300hp honda can (remember this can happen) a 450hp camaro. 33000 f**kin dollars into a civic and only getting 240hp???? i love car and driver, but seriously, 33 grand into a civic can easily make about 500whp.

 

[Beelzebubba]

the local dodge dealership should replace the head gasket free of charge as they do here.
domestic resale value is lowered not by the reliablity but by the fact that they are used for fleet vehicles. every year the market is flooded with tens of thousands of lease returns, rental returns, fleet vehicles, and company demo's. when's the last time you ordered a pizza and the guy pulled up in a brand new domino's honda civic? doesnt happen because imports dont fleet their vehicles in the us. dodge/chevy/ford will sell a few thousand vehicles to every state very cheaply, then used for 3 years, and then sold at public auctions or back to the dealer for next to nothing. i have a manheim dealers used vehicle report right in front of me that has all the info anybody could need. all 300pages of reports and graphs show the market value and reasons and the demographic for classic vehicles to used vehicles to new vehicles.

Not quite sure if you are agreeing with me or not. I see a lot of Neons and am required to log their mileage. I have yet to see one over 200,000 miles. I see LOTS of 3rd gen Accords and 4th gen Civics pushing well over 200,000.

About the Neon's Automatic: The A413 is a p.o.s. They often require the driver to lift off the accelerator to upshift and have poorly selected shift points. Why Chrysler didn't use the all electronic A604 is beyond me. The A604 fits into the same area the 413 requires and it's only real weakness is that heat kills the electronics and it will survive in limp-in mode for about 15 seconds. Must be strictly economic reasons. That's the car I am bagging on and that is also the majority of Neons out there. Probably because at one point in it's existance, it was a fleet/rental car.

Head gasket scrubbing/failure: Depends on the car and whether or not the Service Manager feels he can get paid by Daimler Chrysler to repair it.

 

[ccchondaccc]

no s**t a neons gunna win racing that POS civic

 

[soswank]

speachless....

 

[rUdGrICk]

it was a wagon civic with duct tape it was probly just playing around

 

[Going-West]

33,000 into a civic and only 240hp??? that is the f**king saddest excuse for upgrades i have ever heard. give my 33grand into my si and id be beating ferraris s**t!

 

[EatingYourBrainsY0]

duh.. but the srt-4 isn't a neon.. it just looks like a neon

i'd trade my civ for an srt-4

your a f**kin idiot. its a neon, i hate motherfuckas who say that....................its def fast and sick..................... but i feel in general that neons are overall not faster than civics.

 

[shh i'm_sleepin]

dude that neon whooped a stock ef w/a plastic back window that was no race, he was just warmin up the tires. And for all u guys sayin you would trade your civic for a neon then why dont you do that, and leave honda building to the BIG BOYS

 

[f4113n]

lol whoever wouldnt trade their civic 4 and srt-4 is retarded unless u got sumthin special on yer civic...

 

[TurboZinc]

I can't believe i just read through this entire thread. What a waste of my time.

First of all, an srt-4 is a neon. Is a cobra not a mustang?

Second, you can't compare an s2000 to an srt-4, and even if you do, the neon still hangs in there.

SRT-4's come in under $20,000. Comparing a used car to a new one is absolutely retarded. Saying, if i put a turbo on my civic, bla bla, is also a retarded argument. Unless you have that turbo it's pointless. Any of us could beat any car out there, if only we had this or that, but we don't.

 

[4thengine]

Thank you, oh and although the srt4 is not a neon, say you did build a 2.4 liter stroker honda motor with an intercooled turbo, and you put that in a civic........................ it would probably be a little bit on the quick side, maybe?

k24/k20a2 hybrid makes 200 at the wheels, naturally aspirated.

 

[$lick Rick]

k24/k20a2 hybrid makes 200 at the wheels, naturally aspirated.

and is rediculously expensive for the 200hp you get... it's not worth it

 

[4thengine]

and is rediculously expensive for the 200hp you get... it's not worth it

I'll agree with that, for now.I wasn't making a point in the retarted neon vs civic arguement. There was someone who said suppose you did a 2.4liter Honda motor, and asked if it would be fast.

I personally am holding off until the cost of used K-series comes down. I'm happy with my B16 for now. Once that price comes down, though.... 6 gears.

Anyway, as for as this whole Neon vs. Civic arguement...
1. Stock vs. Stock=stupid. Now many of us are stock?
2. SRT-4 vs. Civic SI=stupid. 1.6 or 2.0 Liter NA vs. 2.4 turbo? Yeah, that's fair.
3. Modded vs. Modded=impossible. Too many variables
4. Old vs. New=necessary. Compare the past and present of both Honda and Dodge. Honda has developed a reputation asa reliable car company, while Dodge built Neons that filled junkyards less than 4 years after they were unveiled. For about a decade Dodge bought all it's best engines from Mitsubishi. Or, more accurately, Mitsubishi has been providing engines (2.0, 3.0), and sometimes whole cars (Talon and Laser=Eclipse, Stealth=3000gt) so that they could use the Chrysler corporation's names to appeal to the "buy american" crowd.
5. If I drove a neon, even an SRT-4 I'd drive wearing a mask.
6. Since most of us have modded our civics, their trade in value is gone. We'd all eat the cost of the SRT-4 on delivery. For that same amount of money, we can turn our Civics into SRT-killers. Oh, but wait, that's not fair, cause we're comparing modded to stock and blah blah blah. I'm just saying that I'd prefer my civic. Obviously the SRT-4 is designed to attract a different consumer.
7. I'll admit that the SRT-4 is a good value, and that having the title of "fastest car for under $20g's is impressive. I just don't like them. And I think that as great as they are, having a turbo on top of 2.4 liters, they could be better.
8. The driver makes a big difference. A GEO could beat a Porche, if the Porche driver doesn't know what he's doing.
9. I prefer my cars running, which is why I prefer not to drive a Neon.

*edit* and that was the lamest video ever.

 

[$lick Rick]

7. I'll admit that the SRT-4 is a good value, and that having the title of "fastest car for under $20g's is impressive. I just don't like them. And I think that as great as they are, having a turbo on top of 2.4 liters, they could be better.

i agree with some of what you said... but like you said... the power could be better... but then again thank god the car doesnt come with the power maxed out .... with the upgrades avaliable from dodge alone i've seen those cars run 12's... with a stock bottom end that can handle over 550hp, the srt4 leaves you with incredible potential. and it is much easier to squeeze more hp out of a boosted engine then a n/a

on the same note, the s2k has a very dissapointing response to boltons because it's motor is practicly tapped out. the only real gains you see with a car like the s2k is with either f/i or heavy internal mods

 

[Kihun_Cha]

like somebody saids if ur car is not fast enough
please dont race with some other car
cuz all u do is makin a bad name for mah civic
punk asssssssssses

 

[imracin101]

oh damn sumone started todd again..every damn comment made about neons and he comes with 5 pages of information..we just dont care...

 

[$lick Rick]

oh damn sumone started todd again..every damn comment made about neons and he comes with 5 pages of information..we just dont care...

yeah, darn those facts getting in the way of your false information